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No, Mary Didn’t Know

The new Christmas carol, Mary Did You Know asks us this. Did Mary, the mother of Jesus, know that her baby would walk on water, rule the nations, heal the deaf and blind, the lame will leap and so on?

To live by faith is the universal command.

The answer is No, she did not know, and the reason is that for us all, Mary included, we must live by faith. Faith is the substance of what is already hoped for and hope is based on the word of God. We are not told the future. God gives us promises personally and for our future as a race, and our job is to believe what God said.

The reason is simple – Mary must face the issue of personal sin, repent and be saved like everyone else. The doctrine that she has a special birth – called Immaculate Conception- is just another Immaculate Assumption. The notion of Immaculate Conception giving her special powers takes away the very amazing accomplishment of this woman and makes her look like a spiritual robot. In addition, there is not a shred of evidence for this in the Bible.

Why would anyone in the year 300 A.D. come up with this idea? Perhaps women were chafing over the domination of men in the church,which itself is not scriptural, and the leaders felt they needed to make a heroine out of Mary? They would especially want a heroine who was a dedicated mother of children. No one is saved by being a good mother, any more than any man can be saved by being a good father. But after 1800 years, we can only guess the rationale for this, and other non-scriptural teachings found in the Roman Catholic church.

So what was that thing she had to face that makes her distinctive of all women? Mary knew what the angel said, that God asked her to raise up a special child without having had sex with any man. 

God does not ask of us without giving us a chance to say no.

It was quite a problematic suggestion.  She would forever in her small town bethought a fallen woman that Joseph agreed to marry even though she was expecting, and that condemnation not just for a week or two but for her whole life.  She needed to believe that God would redeem such a time and provide for her blessings beyond the usual. 

Everyone who lived in the Bible and those of us today have the same burden; we are to believe what God said about us, about salvation, our condition, and about the world to come.  Our salvation comes at the expense of our suspending our knowledge of the real world and moving into the unseen world of God and His blessings and calling.

To everyone is given a measure of faith, (Romans 12:3) just enough to do that job for each of us individually. Mary had that faith to believe. God knows the end from the beginning, but Mary doesn’t, nor Matthew, Mark and Luke or Peter and Paul.  We, as they, must follow the leading of the spirit and perhaps be misunderstand and rejected. We do not know the end, we only know God and His word.  Either we live on that or we don’t.

We tend to forget that atheism is a choice. The Bible says the existence of God is visible in the created world for all to see; man has no excuses.

Every human may be in the dark about the Virgin Birth, but there was one person who Jesus was born of a virgin…Mary.

And that was what Mary knew!!

Try this: www.thoughtco.com/misconceptions-about-mary-700365

#Mary, mother of Jesus #Mary, Did You Know? #ImmaculateConception

Also https://wouldyouconsider.net/2013/12/19/was-mary-a-virgin-and-does-it-matter

Spong Rhymes with Wrong

John Shelby Spong was the Bishop of Newark, NJ 1979-2000


Spong said: Martin Luther ignited the Reformation of the 16th century by nailing to the door of the church in Wittenberg in 1517 the 95 Theses that he wished to debate. My theses are far smaller in number than were those of Martin Luther, but they are far more threatening theologically. The issues to which I now call the Christians of the world to debate are these:


Spong’s words are in italics


Twelve points for Reform


1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.


We are at a loss to understand why theos (Greek for God) should be talked about any other way than the way He talks about Himself. His definition of Himself  in His word ought to be adequate.


2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.


Jesus is God come in the flesh, incarnation from the Latin carne (flesh).  In First John  4:2-3 those who refuse to identify Jesus as God in the flesh are called non-believers.


Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:


And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
So let’s hold on to our Christology for a while until we can understand what God is saying to us in His word. OK?


3. The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.
Since Charles Darwin did not create the world and its inhabitants there is  no reason to bring his name into the discussion, even more so for not having any proof that his theories are valid outside of this world system.  The creation was not described as perfect but as “good” and the sin which was inherent in man is what brought the “bad” into the good.  What is evolving is the state and understanding of Man in this world.
4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ’s divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.


God as an agent of creation lives and works outside His creation and is in no way hampered by it.  If he wants a virgin birth, He can do it.  Furthermore the virgin birth is completely explained by the presence of the unique DNA in Jesus which Satan and Man can not and could not replicate making the one sacrifice for sin not just possible, but impossible to fake.


5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.
Post Einsteinian theories open the way for anything to be outside space-time, another dimension. Newton’s ideas works for the world; Einstein’s work outside the world.  Both eternity and time are compatible, no matter how separate their dimensions are. Physicists say there are 10 or more dimensions, meaning we have some learning ahead of us.


6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.
Since Man cannot save himself, he cannot determine the method of his salvation. He can only accept it or reject it.  Frankly, how God saves is really none of our business but God is generous and wants us to understand.


7. Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.
Paul said that of all that we must believe, resurrection was key.  Why? Because it means we are released from the world system and its corruption to enter an eternal state, renewed and ready for an eternal future with God.  Even ancient Job, not even a Jew said, In my flesh I will see him. Why limit God? He’s smarter than we are.


8. The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space .
Jesus said to his disciples the night before his death, “I have much more to tell you but you cannot bear it now. Yet when that one I have spoken to you about comes—the Spirit of truth—he will guide you into everything that is true.” John 16:12 (Phillips)  So the universe is not 3-tied.  So what?  We had stuff to learn and still do.


9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard written in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.
We were given 10 commandments plus two others from Jesus.  Until we have lived according to those rather simple rules we have no reason to change the list.


10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.


Prayer as practiced by Jesus and millions of followers hence follows a Biblical pattern in a variety of ways.  And He did ask his father directly and specifically for certain events in his followers lives and the history of man kind. Otherwise who are you praying to?  Yourself?


11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.


It is helpful to read the Bible before making statements like this.  Guilt may get us to His Cross but it is the pursuit of heavenly rewards by our obedience that gets us beyond. Heaven is not a static environment teeming with stuffy guilt-obsessed folks. It is a perfect being (you) in a perfect environment and generations of believers have anticipated eternity in just this way. Besides, everyone lives forever; where we live is the question.


12. All human beings bear God’s image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one’s being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.


Spong shreds the very concept of God and then says we are in His image.  Image of what?


But since #12 is true, one decent idea out of 12 ain’t bad.
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